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Like Civilized Men and Women (Twin Adder)
Feature quest, level 30. 185th of 194 in play order.
Steps
- Speak with the Yellow Serpent flyer at the airship landing.
Journal
- Lieutenant Scarlet
is looking for a few good soldiers. - The member nations of the Eorzean Alliance do not see eye to eye in all matters. Nevertheless, their disagreements have not been irreconcilable─until now. Control of the Carteneau Flats is to be decided on the field of battle, and Lieutenant Scarlet
would have you fight for the Twin Adder. Speak with the Yellow Serpent flyer to learn more of this new conflict, and to decide if you wish to become involved. - Civilized violence. Civilized war. The concept seems contradictory, if not ludicrous, yet your fellow soldiers take no issue with this proposed resolution. It is clear now that the Order of the Twin Adder will not be swayed from its course. You, however, are yet free to decide. To embrace this cause, or to renounce it─it is your choice.
Characters 3

Lieutenant Scarlet is looking for good soldiers and wants a private word with you.

What you know from earlier quests 8
- #92 My Little Chocobo (Twin Adder): Vorsaile calls you an example to your fellow Serpents for your work for Gridania. Vorsaile explains how to get a chocobo: trade company seals with the quartermaster for a
Serpent Chocobo Issuance, then show it to Cingur. - #97 Wood's Will Be Done: The personnel officer suggests you speak with High Serpent Commander Vorsaile Heuloix before leaving, as he may help you on your journey.
- #98 Sylph-management: You find Vorsaile thinking out loud. He knows too little about the sylphs and wants help from the Scions. He apologizes for his habit of thinking aloud and asks what brings you.
- #100 We Come in Peace: Vorsaile fears the sylphs' link to the primal Ramuh could upset the peace with Gridania. He wants to hear the sylphs of Little Solace through a neutral go-between. He warns that sylph manners differ from ours and sends you to the Hawthorne Hut.
- #120 Spirited Away: Vorsaile fears a crisis if the tempered sylphs get hold of the elder. He puts his sharpest-eyed soldiers on watch and sends you to Giah Molkoh
to bring the Wood Wailers into the search. - #132 Believe in Your Sylph: Vorsaile reads Frixio's letter and is relieved: the sylphs want no conflict and do not plan to summon Ramuh. He says Gridania can now face bigger threats, and he thanks you for your great service.
- #133 Back from the Wood: Vorsaile says the Elder Seedseer was pained by the idea of war with the sylphs and means to seek a way to reverse the tempering. He thanks the Scions of the Seventh Dawn for mediating and sends his regards to Minfilia
. - #184 A Pup No Longer (Twin Adder): Vorsaile says talent alone is not enough without hard work, but he is sure you have both. He sends you to the Wolves' Den, a training ground near La Noscea, with a letter of recommendation for Berkoeya Loetahlsyn.
- #92 My Little Chocobo (Twin Adder): Vorsaile calls you an example to your fellow Serpents for your work for Gridania. Vorsaile explains how to get a chocobo: trade company seals with the quartermaster for a

What you know from earlier quests 2
- #65 Renewing the Covenant: In your vision of Carteneau, an unseen voice rejoices to behold Bahamut once more. It says ages of prison have only made him hungrier.
- #67 The Gridanian Envoy: Merlwyb
describes Bahamut as an elder primal, a dragon the size of a city, that burst out of Dalamud, the lesser moon, at Carteneau. In a breath it set the imperial legions aflame and burned the allied armies too.
Dialogue 18 lines
Accepting the quest
Come closer, )()())/> [name]. I would prefer that this tale be heard by you and you alone. It concerns a sensitive subject with which you are doubtless well acquainted: the Battle of Carteneau.
Aye, I speak of that bloodbath which marked the end of the Sixth Astral Era, when both the VIIth Legion and Allied forces were slaughtered by that winged abomination which did its utmost to destroy all we know and love.
- DE Legion aufeinanderprallten, während Dalamud auf sie zu raste. ‘Exactly, I am talking about the cursed area that five years ago became the sad center of the Seventh Calamity, when the troops of the Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean VIIth Legion clashed there while Dalamud was racing toward them.’ English says both armies were slaughtered by the winged abomination; German says Dalamud was hurtling toward them.
No part of Eorzea was untouched by the elder primal's rage, least of all the Carteneau Flats, which were ravaged─nay, remade in the fires of destruction. The Flats were rendered an accursed wasteland, and all decent smallfolk know to keep a wide berth.
- FR Les cités-États ne l'avaient pas revendiquée jusqu'à récemment, mais les choses ont changé depuis qu'on y a découvert des ruines allagoises. ‘The city-states had not claimed it until recently, but things have changed since Allagan ruins were discovered there.’ English says the Flats became an accursed wasteland folk avoid; French says the city-states had not claimed it until recently.
- DE Seither ist die Heide ein Niemandsland, über das kein Stadtstaat gebietet. ‘Since then the heath has been a no-man's-land ruled by no city-state.’ English says the Flats became an accursed wasteland folk avoid; German says it has been a no-man's-land no city rules.
- JA 同地は、いずれの都市にも領有されていない状態だった。 ‘That land was not held by any of the city-states.’ English says the Flats became an accursed wasteland folk avoid; Japanese says no city-state held the land.
Consequently, many question why the Eorzean Alliance continues to maintain a military presence in the region, despite the personnel and materiel required to do so.
- FR Les officiers généraux de l'Ordre s'intéressent de près à ces vestiges, et ont insisté auprès des autres cités pour que le territoire soit cédé à Gridania, afin de pouvoir conduire des recherches. ‘The Order's general officers take a close interest in these remains, and have pressed the other cities to cede the territory to Gridania so that research can be carried out.’ English says many question the Alliance's military presence there; French says the Order's top officers covet the ruins.
- DE Für die Bruderschaft der Morgenviper sind die Ruinen von großer Bedeutung. ‘For the Order of the Twin Adder the ruins are of great importance.’ English says many question the Alliance's military presence there; German says the ruins matter greatly to the Twin Adder.
- JA 我ら双蛇党の上層部は、件の遺跡を重要視しているらしい。 ‘Our Twin Adder leadership apparently regards the ruins in question as important.’ English says many question the Alliance's military presence there; Japanese says the Twin Adder leadership values the ruins.
Allagan ruins, that's why. Allied scholars have been studying them since their discovery following the battle, during which time the Carteneau Flats have been jointly administered by the three member nations of the Eorzean Alliance.
- FR Malheureusement, Limsa Lominsa et Ul'dah ne l'entendent pas de cette oreille, et ont chacune exigé que l'endroit leur soit octroyé. ‘Unfortunately, Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah see it otherwise, and have each demanded that the place be granted to them.’ English says the three nations have jointly administered the Flats; French says Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah each demanded it.
- DE Allerdings erheben auch Limsa Lominsa und Ul'dah Anspruch darauf, was zu Spannungen auf der Carteneauer Heide geführt hat. ‘However, Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah also lay claim to them, which has led to tensions on the Carteneau heath.’ English says the three nations have jointly administered the Flats; German says Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah also claim them.
- JA ところが、同盟参加国のリムサ・ロミンサやウルダハもまた、同じく保有権を求めだした……。 ‘However, fellow Alliance members Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah have likewise begun demanding ownership...’ English says the three nations have jointly administered the Flats; Japanese says Limsa Lominsa and Ul'dah began claiming them.
This was an acceptable state of affairs for a time, but no longer. Ul'dah, Limsa Lominsa, and Gridania have all formally asserted a claim to the territory. A diplomatic resolution is no longer possible; the matter is to be decided on the field of battle.
- FR Les dirigeants de chaque nation s'inquiètent d'un élargissement potentiel du conflit et ont signé un accord donnant à Carteneau le statut d'une zone de non-droit. ‘The leaders of each nation are worried about the conflict widening and have signed an accord giving Carteneau the status of a lawless zone.’ English says a diplomatic resolution is no longer possible; French says the leaders signed an accord making Carteneau lawless.
- DE Immerhin konnte eine Übereinkunft getroffen werden, dass alles, was auf der Heide vorfällt, unter keinen Umständen nach außen getragen wird, damit unsere Streitigkeiten nicht grundsätzlich das ansonsten freundschaftliche Verhältnis der Stadtstaaten zueinander belastet. ‘At least an agreement could be reached that everything that happens on the heath will under no circumstances be carried outside, so that our disputes do not burden the otherwise friendly relations between the city-states.’ English says a diplomatic resolution is no longer possible; German says an agreement keeps everything on the heath from going outside.
- JA 三国の領袖たちは、この対立が同盟の亀裂とならないよう、同地で起きたあらゆる問題を外には持ち出さぬという、協定を交わした。 ‘So that this conflict would not become a rift in the Alliance, the leaders of the three nations concluded an agreement not to take any problem arising there outside.’ English says a diplomatic resolution is no longer possible; Japanese says the leaders agreed to keep all problems there contained.
Lest you fear that this marks the advent of total war, worry not. We are allies as ever and shall conduct ourselves accordingly. All hostilities will be confined to the disputed territories, and engagements shall be fought to submission, not death.
- DE Die Carteneauer Heide wurde sozusagen zu einem rechtsfreien Raum erklärt - und schon spielen sich dort heftige Kämpfe ab. ‘The Carteneau heath was, so to speak, declared a lawless zone - and fierce battles are already being fought there.’ English says they remain allies and will behave as such; German says the heath was declared a lawless zone.
- JA こうして「カルテノー平原」は、「アウトロー戦区(法外戦区)」に指定され、今も激しい戦いが繰り広げられている。 ‘Thus the "Carteneau Flats" were designated the "Outlaw Zone (lawless battle zone)", and fierce battles are still being fought there.’ English says they remain allies and will behave as such; Japanese says the Flats were designated a lawless battle zone.
So you see, you needn't hesitate to join the fray. Should you have the misfortune of facing a friend in battle, you will only be expected to subdue him, not kill him.
Aye, that's right─I tell you all this because we need men and women of your caliber on the front line. These ruins are of vital importance to our nation's security, and we cannot surrender them to a foreign power.
You need not make a decision now. All I ask is that you speak with our man at the airship landing and listen to what he has to say.
- DE Bereite dich gut auf den Einsatz vor und melde dich dann am Landeplatz von Gridania beim Luftschiffsoffizier unserer Bruderschaft! ‘Prepare yourself well for the mission and then report to our Order's airship officer at the Gridania landing!’ English says you need not decide now; German tells you to prepare well for the mission.
Speak with the Yellow Serpent flyer at the airship landing.
)()())/> [name]! Come to join the fight, have we? Very good, very good indeed!
Now before we proceed, I must warn you: this isn't going to be like some jaunt in the Wolves' Den.
- FR L'ordre des Deux Vipères cherche actuellement à saisir les ruines frontalières, au sud de la plaine de Carteneau. ‘The Order of the Twin Adder is currently seeking to seize the borderland ruins, in the south of the Carteneau Flats.’ English warns this won't be like a jaunt in the Wolves' Den; French states the Order seeks the borderland ruins.
- DE Das Einsatzziel lautet: die äußeren Ruinen erobern und halten! ‘The mission objective is: conquer and hold the outer ruins!’ English warns this won't be like a jaunt in the Wolves' Den; German states the objective is the outer ruins.
- JA 今回、我々が確保を目指すのは、平原南部に位置する「外縁遺跡群」であります! ‘This time, what we aim to secure is the "Borderland Ruins" in the south of the plain!’ English warns this won't be like a jaunt in the Wolves' Den; Japanese states the objective is the borderland ruins.
You'll be pitted against wave after wave of fellow Alliance members in battle, and they won't care one whit that you're the Warrior of Light.
- FR Nos commandants pensent que prendre le contrôle de ces vestiges nous permettra d'accéder plus facilement aux ruines principales situées à quelques malms au nord. ‘Our commanders believe that taking control of these remains will give us easier access to the main ruins a few malms to the north.’ English warns you'll face waves of fellow Alliance members; French says the commanders think these ruins open the way to the main ruins.
- DE Das Hauptquartier ist überzeugt, dass uns die Kontrolle über den äußeren Bereich den ungehinderten Zugang zu den einige Malme nördlich gelegenen zentralen Ruinen ermöglicht. ‘Headquarters is convinced that control of the outer area will give us unhindered access to the central ruins a few malms to the north.’ English warns you'll face waves of fellow Alliance members; German says headquarters thinks this opens the way to the central ruins.
- JA 統合司令部では、この遺跡群を掌握することで、数マルム北方に存在する「中枢遺跡」の防衛機構を制御できるのではないかと考えているそうです。 ‘Joint command reportedly thinks that by seizing these ruins we might be able to control the defense mechanisms of the "Central Ruins" a few malms to the north.’ English warns you'll face waves of fellow Alliance members; Japanese says command hopes to control the central ruins' defenses.
This campaign will be long and brutal, and victories won today may be undone tomorrow. Consider the borderland ruins. We need only seize control of each ruin in the region, right? Wrong. Defense is paramount as well, for our rivals will muster forces to challenge our claims.
- FR Cette opération est donc cruciale pour mettre la main sur les trésors allagois dissimulés là-bas. ‘This operation is therefore crucial to get our hands on the Allagan treasures hidden there.’ English warns the campaign will be long and brutal; French says the operation is crucial to seize Allagan treasures.
- DE Der Erfolg des Einsatzes ist der entscheidende erste Schritt, um später die Schätze der inneren Ruinen in unsere Hand zu bekommen! ‘In other words: the success of the mission is the decisive first step toward later getting the treasures of the inner ruins into our hands!’ English warns the campaign will be long and brutal; German calls it the first step toward the inner ruins' treasures.
- JA つまり、中枢遺跡に眠る古代の遺産を手にするためには、本作戦の成功が必要不可欠ということです! ‘In other words, to obtain the ancient legacy sleeping in the Central Ruins, this operation's success is indispensable!’ English warns the campaign will be long and brutal; Japanese says success is vital to obtain the central ruins' ancient legacy.
It is for that reason we have established an airship route direct to the front line. Those who are ready and willing to fight will never want for transportation!
Ah, but that look on your face bespeaks confusion. “Are we at war or not? What is this bollocks about no killing? What in the seven hells is going on!?” That's what you're thinking, yes?
- FR Ne leur montrez aucune pitié, car ils n'en auront aucune !! ‘Show them no mercy, for they will have none!!’ English jokes about the confusing no-killing rule; French orders you to show the other companies no mercy.
- DE Dort gibt es keine Gnade! ‘There is no mercy there!’ English jokes about the confusing no-killing rule; German says there is no mercy at the front.
- JA ですが、彼の地は法の外に置かれた「アウトロー戦区」……同盟国相手であっても、容赦は不要です! ‘But that land is the "Outlaw Zone", placed outside the law... even against allied nations, no mercy is needed!’ English jokes about the confusing no-killing rule; Japanese says no mercy is needed even against allies.
It's less “war” and more “organized violence to resolve a territorial dispute.” And yes, it is to be civilized violence. Killing Alliance members is strictly prohibited─though accidents have been known to happen, mind you.
- FR Nos éclaireurs nous ont également informés que des dispositifs défensifs allagois apparaissent parfois près de l'éclat de Dalamud au centre des ruines, et ils attaquent tout ce qui bouge. ‘Our scouts have also informed us that Allagan defensive devices sometimes appear near the Dalamud shard at the center of the ruins, and they attack anything that moves.’ English says killing Alliance members is strictly prohibited; French warns Allagan defenses appear near the Dalamud shard.
- DE Augenzeugen berichten von seltsamen Kriegsmaschinen, die aus dem Zentrum der allagischen Ruinen stammen und in die Kämpfe eingreifen. ‘Be warned: eyewitnesses report strange war machines that come from the center of the Allagan ruins and intervene in the fighting.’ English says killing Alliance members is strictly prohibited; German warns of strange war machines joining the fights.
- JA なお、斥候からの情報によれば、遺跡群中央のダラガブ片からは、アラグの防衛兵器が転送されてくることがあるとか。 ‘According to the scouts, Allagan defense weapons are sometimes teleported in from the Dalamud shard at the center of the ruins.’ English says killing Alliance members is strictly prohibited; Japanese warns Allagan defense weapons appear from the shard.
But you of all people have nothing to fear! You've escaped certain death more times than I can count; what are the odds you'll fail to do so this time, eh?
- FR Assurez-vous d'être bien préparé(e) avant de partir ! ‘Make sure you are well prepared before you leave!’ English jokes you've cheated death too often to fail now; French tells you to make sure you are well prepared.
- DE Ich wünsche dir viel Erfolg. ‘I wish you much success.’ English jokes you've cheated death too often to fail now; German simply ends the briefing and wishes you success.
- JA 各種兵装を確認次第、直ちに乗艇願います! ‘As soon as you have checked your equipment, please board at once!’ English jokes you've cheated death too often to fail now; Japanese asks you to check your gear and board at once.